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[I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258390] Mi, 19 April 2006 18:04
WitsEnd  
Lovely.

Quote begins:

>From the NY Times By MOTOKO RICH

Blogs
spread
gossip
and rumor
But how about a
Rare, geeky form of poetry?

THAT'S exactly what happened after Gregory K. Pincus, a screenwriter
and aspiring children's book author in Los Angeles, wrote a post on his
GottaBook blog (gottabook.blogspot.com) two weeks ago inviting readers
to write "Fibs," six-line poems that used a mathematical progression
known as the Fibonacci sequence to dictate the number of syllables in
each line.

Within a few days, Mr. Pincus, 41, had received about 30 responses, a
large portion of them Fibonacci poems. Most of them were from friends
or relatives or people who regularly read his blog, which focuses on
children's literature.

Then, last Friday, a subscriber to the popular Web site slashdot.org
- which runs over a tagline that reads "News for nerds. Stuff that
matters" - linked to Mr. Pincus's original post, and suddenly, it
seemed, Fibs were sprouting all over the Internet.

Mr. Pincus, who wrote in his original post that he conceived of the
Fibonacci poems in part as a writing exercise, said in an interview
that he figures more than 100 other Web sites have linked to his post
and more than 1,000 Fibs have been written since the beginning of
April, which just happens to be both National Poetry Month and
Mathematics Awareness Month.

"It tickles me that it can spread like that," said Mr. Pincus. "It's
such a wonderful thing."

Readers of the blockbuster best-selling "Da Vinci Code," of course, may
recognize the Fibonacci sequence as the key to one of the first clues
left for the novel's hero and heroine. It is also a staple of
middle-school math classes. Though relatively rare in poetry, it shows
up in the musical compositions of the early 20th-century composer
Bartok and the progressive metal band Tool, the spiraling shape of the
Nautilus shell and in knitting patterns.

By and large, most of the people who have written Fibonacci poems over
the past couple of weeks are not professional poets, but actors,
comedians, video role-play enthusiasts, musicians, computer scientists,
lawyers and schoolchildren. Casey Kelly Barton, a stay-at-home mother
and home-schooler in Austin, Tex., who started a blog called Redneck
Mother to chronicle her "dissatisfaction after Bush got re-elected,"
used the Fib form to write a rant against the president.

Chat rooms linked to Web sites ranging from Actuarial Outpost, a forum
for actuaries, to em411.com, a site for electronic musicians, have
taken up Mr. Pincus's challenge and generated strings of the whimsical
poems. Even a Hungarian technology site has linked to the Fibonacci
post.

The allure of the form is that it is simple, yet restricted. The number
of syllables in each line must equal the sum of the syllables in the
two previous lines. So, start with 0 and 1, add them together to get
your next number, which is also 1, 2 comes next, then add 2 and 1 to
get 3, and so on. Mr. Pincus structured the Fibs to top out at line
six, with eight syllables.

For many people, writing one of the poems is a little like solving a
puzzle. Suresh Venkatasubramanian, a 32-year-old computer science
researcher at AT&T Labs-Research in Florham Park, N.J., said he was
attracted to the Fibonacci poetry because it reminded him of "what a
computer scientist would call the 'resource constraints.' " On his
blog, Geomblog, Mr. Venkatasubramanian added two more lines to Mr.
Pincus's original prescription, while still keeping to the Fibonacci
sequence:

I
like
to blog.
Frequently.
Theory matters.
Computer science (theory)
is my home and geometric algorithms are
sublime. Let P be a set of points in general position in the plane.
Amen.

The last line, said Mr. Venkatasubramanian, is an inside joke in
geometry.

Emily Galvin, a screenwriter and film production assistant who is
writing a collection of poems and short plays in verse for Tupelo
Press, has written one of her plays using the Fibonacci sequence.
Instead of using the progression to dictate the number of syllables in
a line, she let it regulate the number of words.

Ms. Galvin, who said an ex-boyfriend once sent her love notes composed
in the Fibonacci sequence, was delighted to learn of Mr. Pincus's
success in spreading Fibs around the Internet. "How great that
something mathematical could be bringing together all sorts of people
who don't write professionally and giving them a form," she said.

More professional poets may be attracted to the form, said Annie Finch,
a poet who teaches at the University of Southern Maine. "Poets are
very, very hungry for constraint right now," said Ms. Finch, who has
written about formal poetry. "Poets are often poets because they love
to play with words and love constraints that allow the self to step out
of the picture a little bit. The form gives you something to dance with
so it's not just you alone on the page."

Even those who were not compelled by the idea of Fibonacci poetry could
not resist the challenge. When asked for her insights, Judith Roitman,
a poet and math professor at the University of Kansas, wrote in an
e-mail message that she "found the phenomenon pretty uninteresting."
But she then went on to write:

So
you
no doubt
will not find
it interesting
to talk to me about this stuff.

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Link:
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r /motoko_rich/index.html?inline=nyt-per
Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258418 ] Mi, 19 April 2006 21:10
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach WitsEnd:

> Lovely.
>
> Quote begins:
>
>>From the NY Times By MOTOKO RICH
>
> Blogs
> spread
> gossip
> and rumor
> But how about a
> Rare, geeky form of poetry?

<snip>

> The allure of the form is that it is simple, yet
> restricted. The number of syllables in each line must equal
> the sum of the syllables in the two previous lines. So,
> start with 0 and 1, add them together to get your next
> number, which is also 1, 2 comes next, then add 2 and 1 to
> get 3, and so on. Mr. Pincus structured the Fibs to top out
> at line six, with eight syllables.

Yes
It's
Quite
Clever
Although
There's also
The Padovan sequence
Which is slower to start off
So I used more lines than the Fibs do

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258419 ] Mi, 19 April 2006 21:43
Brenda  
Daibhid Ceanaideach said:

> Also Sprach WitsEnd:
>
>> Lovely.
>>
>> Quote begins:
>>
>>>From the NY Times By MOTOKO RICH
>>
>> Blogs
>> spread
>> gossip
>> and rumor
>> But how about a
>> Rare, geeky form of poetry?
>
> <snip>
>
>> The allure of the form is that it is simple, yet
>> restricted. The number of syllables in each line must equal
>> the sum of the syllables in the two previous lines. So,
>> start with 0 and 1, add them together to get your next
>> number, which is also 1, 2 comes next, then add 2 and 1 to
>> get 3, and so on. Mr. Pincus structured the Fibs to top out
>> at line six, with eight syllables.
>
> Yes
> It's
> Quite
> Clever
> Although
> There's also
> The Padovan sequence
> Which is slower to start off
> So I used more lines than the Fibs do

For
Faster
Growth, however,
You can simply multiply the
Syllable count of each line by two for composing the next line.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258420 ] Mi, 19 April 2006 21:49
Orjan Westin  
Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach said:
>
>> Also Sprach WitsEnd:
>>
>>> The allure of the form is that it is simple, yet
>>> restricted. The number of syllables in each line must equal
>>> the sum of the syllables in the two previous lines. So,
>>> start with 0 and 1, add them together to get your next
>>> number, which is also 1, 2 comes next, then add 2 and 1 to
>>> get 3, and so on. Mr. Pincus structured the Fibs to top out
>>> at line six, with eight syllables.
>>
>> Yes
>> It's
>> Quite
>> Clever
>> Although
>> There's also
>> The Padovan sequence
>> Which is slower to start off
>> So I used more lines than the Fibs do
>
> For
> Faster
> Growth, however,
> You can simply multiply the
> Syllable count of each line by two for composing the next line.

You should know by now that size is
Not important.
Keep it
Short

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258430 ] Mi, 19 April 2006 22:17
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258444 ] Mi, 19 April 2006 23:07
grim  
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:43:53 +0000, Richard Heathfield wrote:

> Daibhid Ceanaideach said:
>
> For
> Faster
> Growth, however,
> You can simply multiply the
> Syllable count of each line by two for composing the next line.

!
But!
Avoid!
Factorial sequence!
For anything beyond the fourth term would be ridiculously long and
have terrible scansion!

grim.
Re: Fibonacci Poems [message #258447 ] Mi, 19 April 2006 23:12
WitsEnd  
Point taken, Bruce :-)

WitsEnd
Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258543 ] Do, 20 April 2006 10:07
Troels Forchhammer  
In message <news:pan.2006.04.19.21.07.15.909511 [at] zalau.ro> grim
<jkfgdkhsaqo [at] zalau.ro> enriched us with:

> On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:43:53 +0000, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach said:
>>
>> For
>> Faster
>> Growth, however,
>> You can simply multiply the
>> Syllable count of each line by two for composing the next line.
>
> !
> But!
> Avoid!
> Factorial sequence!
> For anything beyond the fourth term would be ridiculously long and
> have terrible scansion!

For
other
new challenges
the link below this text
can help, too
identify my source for one point

<http://mathworld.wolfram.com/topics/Sequences.html>

;)

--
Troels Forchhammer
Valid e-mail is <t.forch(a)email.dk>

To make a name for learning
when other roads are barred,
take something very easy
and make it very hard.
- Piet Hein, /Wide Road/
Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258555 ] Do, 20 April 2006 10:48
aqusenet  
Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:

> Also Sprach WitsEnd:
>
> > Lovely.
> >
> > Quote begins:
> >
> >>From the NY Times By MOTOKO RICH
> >
> > Blogs
> > spread
> > gossip
> > and rumor
> > But how about a
> > Rare, geeky form of poetry?
>
> <snip>
>
> > The allure of the form is that it is simple, yet
> > restricted. The number of syllables in each line must equal
> > the sum of the syllables in the two previous lines. So,
> > start with 0 and 1, add them together to get your next
> > number, which is also 1, 2 comes next, then add 2 and 1 to
> > get 3, and so on. Mr. Pincus structured the Fibs to top out
> > at line six, with eight syllables.
>
> Yes
> It's
> Quite
> Clever
> Although
> There's also
> The Padovan sequence
> Which is slower to start off
> So I used more lines than the Fibs do

Starting a new line
When you get to the limit
Is not a constraint.

--
'q
Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258564 ] Do, 20 April 2006 11:35
Orjan Westin  
Aquarion wrote:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes
>> It's
>> Quite
>> Clever
>> Although
>> There's also
>> The Padovan sequence
>> Which is slower to start off
>> So I used more lines than the Fibs do
>
> Starting a new line
> When you get to the limit
> Is not a constraint.

So what is the next
Number in the sequence that
Goes five-seven-five?

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258567 ] Do, 20 April 2006 11:58
Brenda  
Orjan Westin said:

> So what is the next
> Number in the sequence that
> Goes five-seven-five?

I'm surprised you ask.
The two digits alternate,
So the series is
Very easy to recall.


--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258593 ] Do, 20 April 2006 14:14
Arthur Hagen  
Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
>
> So what is the next
> Number in the sequence that
> Goes five-seven-five?

Heavenly bodies
experience that number
Xena is counted no more
enog

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Fibonacci Poems [message #258595 ] Do, 20 April 2006 14:36
Orjan Westin  
Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
>>
>> So what is the next
>> Number in the sequence that
>> Goes five-seven-five?
>
> Heavenly bodies
> experience that number
> Xena is counted no more
> enog

Tanka very much,
But I think you will find that
It's traditional
To follow the first three lines:
Another two with seven.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [C] Fibonacci Poems [message #258604 ] Do, 20 April 2006 16:56
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Richard Heathfield wrote:> Daibhid Ceanaideach said:
>> Also Sprach WitsEnd:
>>>>From the NY Times By MOTOKO RICH
>>>
>>> Blogs
>>> spread
>>> gossip
>>> and rumor
>>> But how about a
>>> Rare, geeky form of poetry?
>>
>> <snip>

>> Yes
>> It's
>> Quite
>> Clever
>> Although
>> There's also
>> The Padovan sequence
>> Which is slower to start off
>> So I used more lines than the Fibs do
>
> For
> Faster
> Growth, however,
> You can simply multiply the
> Syllable count of each line by two for composing the next line.

If
the
number
of words
on each
line is
equal to
the number of
syllables on the last
then you can go as fast
or as slow as you like.
But the result is not terribly
poetic unless you have really really really strange tastes.
I mean really really really really really really really really really really
really strange tastes.

Adrian.
Re: [C] Fibonacci Poems [message #258606 ] Do, 20 April 2006 17:10
Brenda  
8'FED said:

> Richard Heathfield wrote:> Daibhid Ceanaideach said:
>>> Also Sprach WitsEnd:
>>>>>From the NY Times By MOTOKO RICH
>>>>
>>>> Blogs
>>>> spread
>>>> gossip
>>>> and rumor
>>>> But how about a
>>>> Rare, geeky form of poetry?
>>>
>>> <snip>
>
>>> Yes
>>> It's
>>> Quite
>>> Clever
>>> Although
>>> There's also
>>> The Padovan sequence
>>> Which is slower to start off
>>> So I used more lines than the Fibs do
>>
>> For
>> Faster
>> Growth, however,
>> You can simply multiply the
>> Syllable count of each line by two for composing the next line.
>
> If
> the
> number
> of words
> on each
> line is
> equal to
> the number of
> syllables on the last
> then you can go as fast
> or as slow as you like.
> But the result is not terribly
> poetic unless you have really really really strange tastes.
> I mean really really really really really really really really really
> really really strange tastes.

Perhaps it would be better
To abandon such insistence on form;
For each of us is right,
Is so different;
And each verse
Should delight us in full freedom!
And each verse
Is so different;
For each of us is right
To abandon such insistence on form;
Perhaps it would be better.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [C] Fibonacci Poems [message #258608 ] Do, 20 April 2006 17:22
Peter Ellis  
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
> Perhaps it would be better
> To abandon such insistence on form;
> For each of us is right,
> Is so different;
> And each verse
> Should delight us in full freedom!
> And each verse
> Is so different;
> For each of us is right
> To abandon such insistence on form;
> Perhaps it would be better.

<standing ovation>

Peter
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